No eastern medicine. So, you compare us to those other nations, you have to understand that we come to the table with the bigger burden of disease. Yvonne came to se me when she was sort of at her wit's end. And finally, keep in mind that what is charged and what is ultimately paid are two different numbers. YATES: I meditate, and it has opened up a whole new world for me. They have a blockage that's not causing symptoms and yet they're actually having a procedure. It doesn't always work. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haven't gotten near my toes in months unless I do this. It goes into the other areas, and it's just not sustainable. But I think, to be honest, when you add more people to the system; that raises costs. Alexander/Transcript. Brownlee, Shannon, commentator. CARNES: I will be at your side should anything challenging come up for you. YATES: Wow. We have a model that works simply by making changes in diet and lifestyles. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He really did. There were even times, honestly, that I looked in the mirror and said, how did you get here? It's And we will say, it is important you request the appointment not only through a telephone call, but if you have an e- mail address, to try to do that. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DR. ERIN MARTIN, PRIMARY CARE: As a primary care physician, we are supposed to be the people that are making sure the patients don't get sick and they have everything they need to maintain health. Next, click the three-dot menu icon underneath the title of the video. In the United States, it was around $8,000 annually. Probably put him on the bottom on the other side. It's unseen, but it's there and it's very, very powerful. Yvonne Osborn began suffering from severe chest pain at the age of 34. Hold my beer while I shoot this gator, you know? All Dogs Go to Heaven 2/Transcript. MARTIN: A day? DR. ANDREW WEIL, PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE AND PUBLIC HEALTH, UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA: All I hear is how we're going to give more people access to the present system and how we're going to pay for it. GUPTA: There was something in the documentary that caught my attention. When you're injured they feed you, feed you, feed you all this stuff. This place actually gave me the tools to put in my tool bag so I can go back and still continue my process of healing, recovery. You've seen a lot. I could hardly just about walk three steps and I'd have to stop and rest. Maintaining my pain. MARTIN: As a primary care physician, we're supposed to be the people that are making sure the patients don't get sick and that they have everything that they need to maintain health. $300 billion on drugs. They are going to healthcare. And Doctor Nissen is in salaried as well. When I had my first heart attack, did the cardiac catheterization, put the thing up there and put a stent in my heart, because I had a clogged artery. So, these models that I'm talking about are based on fee for service, then, they are being paid for a care coordination fee. I'll be -- and what came to be known as an escape fire. It's just a terrible tragedy for patients. Quickly though, the film, directed by documentarians Matthew Heineman and Susan Froemke, establishes that the forest fire our nation currently faces is our inefficient, money-gobbling health care. In our model, the physician acts as a quarterback. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SHANNON BROWNLEE, MEDICAL JOURNALIST: Dark matter is a discovery by astronomers that there is a huge amount of the universe that we can't see. A lot of that comes you spoke - we spoke about are driven by people who don't have access to the system. What does it look like over the next few years? About three weeks ago, because of the state budget crisis, we got told with very little notice that Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement was going to be cut by about 25 percent. I just could not continue doing what I was doing. I had no knowledge of ways to prevent heart attack or stroke or cancer or things like that. What do you say to people when they say look, pay Erin Martin a little more money, you guys are making $5 billion. And I had a massive heart attack. It's not visible, but it's there. RICHARD UMBDENSTOCK, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION: I was almost as surprised as anybody to see the reports that I was the most frequent visitor to the White House during the health reform debate. GRUBER: Well, Sanjay, I think If you look at the affordable care act in the hole, it will. And that's parts of what a really great healthcare system would do. And the owners of those pockets do not want anything to fundamentally change. If I'm frustrated by anything, it's that more of the nation hasn't adopted this. You get paid for the service that you're doing as opposed to for the overall care of the patient. Do you understand? We have made all of this unhealthy food the cheapest and most available food. We're really mortgaging the future. I mean, give me a break. I just had been ignoring it, because I thought, you know, I'm only 34 years old. You don't necessarily make a lot of investments in preventive care for someone who's not going to be a part of your health plan for a long period of time. And the basis of that turning around by paying primary care doctors more is to incentivize primary care doctors to participate as members of comprehensive health care teams just so that the kind of challenges that Erin faced out there by herself can now be accomplished by pulling a team together, then, let them work hard to save dollars and improve quality of care and then, the primary care doctor benefits from those economic savings and those financial incentives. WEIL: Most of this huge effort of the healthcare industry is devoted to intervention in established disease and the majority of that disease is lifestyle related and preventable. If you look at a hospital bill, you might see an IV bag charge. ROSS: What's the regular food? And every year they have to turn people away. This -- medications I was on. SHANNON BROWNLEE, MEDICAL JOURNALIST: We're in the grip of a very big industry, and it doesn't want to stop making money. It would empower patients. The problem with Yvonne's case, is she had all of those stents before she had the risk factors controlled. I haven't touched my toes in months. BROWNLEE: The doctor that has the greatest impact on your health is primary care doctors. The Issues. We're on track for that on Tuesday. Where I'm at right now, patients are in desperate need of care. All right? The present system doesn't work and it's going to take us down. But, that's not the whole story. ROSS: What do you think about that? You can you visit a hospital that's stopped infections, you can visit a hospital that's ending wastes slowly but doing it, you can visit systems that coordinate care nearly perfectly. Jonas, Wayne B., commentator. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't tell you how shocked we were when we saw her the first time because here was a young woman whose diabetes was not well controlled, her cholesterol was never well controlled and her high blood pressure was never well controlled. The costs are going through the roof and the ability to help these service members and their families recover and repair and come back to a functional life is getting less and less. There are answers, we know what safe care looks like. Look. You almost forget that what you're doing is providing healthcare. Well, it drives demand. DR. REED TUCKSON, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CHIEF OF MEDICAL AFFAIRS, UNITED HEALTH GROUP: There is no question that primary care doctors are underpaid, especially relative to their specialty counter parts, those who do procedures. And there's a lot of talk about who's going to pay for it, and that's really important. Who should get a stent? They become more productive. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I'm arguing for is not to make things tough on industry, it's to make things safe for patients. And how to know if you're being prescribed unnecessary procedures. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. I was so dependent on my pain medication. 1. s03e01 - Fire Escape Tran script. He's taken 10 tablets. Recognize that you are this spacious, welcoming, open awareness no matter what thought, no matter what feeling, no matter what sensation or circumstance happens to arise. You can export to TXT, DOCX, PDF, HTML, and many . DR. DON BERWICK, HEAD OF MEDICARE/MEDICAID, 2010-2011: In 1949, a forest fire broke out in Mann Gulch, Montana. WENDELL POTTER, FORMER HEAD OF COMMUNICATIONS, CIGNA: I don't recall any time telling a lie, but I know that there are many times that I didn't disclose full information, and I was the company's chief spokesman. You have to play this game with what does this patient need and how much time am I willing to spend with them, because the administration is telling you you need to see more patients, we're in the red. Psychologically, you deal with a lot of these sorts of things. The film interweaves personal stories with the efforts of leaders battling to transform it. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: One company has figured out how to lower healthcare costs by more than 40 percent. And interestingly, patients really respond to that. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are all combined. The fire overtook the crew, killing 13 men and burning 3,200 acres. I love you. Both of these approaches are necessary, but it would be great if we had a better balance in Western medicine. And doctors wanting to please their patients will often prescribe it. Not just the health, but healthcare, the health of a nation. YATES: I was in the worst place in Afghanistan. SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R), MINORITY LEADER: Safeway Corporation, they've actually been able to bend the cost curve. Thanks all of you for joining us. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've been to the emergency department a few times before, and the last time I was having chest pains, not like this. GUPTA: Erin, what did you think about that particular theme? If you're on a fixed income, what are you going to do for your family? She joins us now. The balloon is inflated to widen the blocked areas. For me to spend 45 minutes on an established visit with a patient to make sure they are doing their exercise, make sure their diabetes is going okay, and to try to figure out what their true problem is, probably get paid $15. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the executive level, what's most important is hitting Wall Street's expectations, and they have to. There's also administrative costs that are built in. Underrewarded primary care. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lost about 120 pounds over the course of three years. I mean, the average price tag for a single hospital admission can be really eye-popping. And for the large majority of people we help, they often don't understand what many of the charges are. Because I've gotten a lot of inspiration from the fellowship. COSGROVE: Cleveland Clinic was founded by four physicians, and they realized they did better working as a team than as individual practitioners. It's still a struggle. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, that had to be something to do with my diabetes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How's your pain, sir? Escape fire: the fight to rescue American healthcare (DVD) Contributors: Heineman, Matthew, director, Froemke, Susan, director, Berwick, Donald M. 1946- commentator. Episode Number(s) 1 S03E01 03x01. And, in fact, they were more likely to die. We need a whole new kind of medicine. We're fighting everything for that not to happen, but it's because there isn't the funding going into primary care. NISSEN: You know, DVT and pulmonary emboli. (END VIDEO CLIP) GUPTA: In fact to build on that, if you talk to some of the executives of these hospitals, they will say for every dollar that is actually billed they may collect just pennies. May everyone be happy. You know, the ads always end with the same phrase, ask your doctor. If somebody has hypertension, we give anti-hypertension drugs. Because what we think is best for us often isn't. I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta. ORNISH: There's very little evidence that these conventional treatments make you live longer, but they cause many men to be impotent or incontinent or both. Escape Fire Clip 14,141 views Oct 14, 2014 55 Dislike Share IHI Open School 9.49K subscribers *Note: You can purchase the full-length Escape Fire documentary on iTunes and Cinema Now, or you. Now that Medicare is going to cover the heart disease program, the next step will be type 2 diabetes. And when we work at that level, we find people are much more likely to make these sustainable changes and the patient learns how to empower themselves and to transform their lives. I think that's an important point. For example, in 2007, the average Medicare recipient in Miami tallied more than $15,000 in health care bills, whereas a recipient in Minneapolis only cost the government about half that amount. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. It was a passion for healing. Jonathan, you know, we want better care and lower costs. Invisible as it is, it's just as significant as a bullet wounds to the -- to the head or chest. OK. Only thing we can do is separate them out, because there's no way for us to tell which are which. Escape Fire Background.The video essay Escape Fire (2012) was heralded as a breakthrough in the understanding of and . It doesn't reward them for keeping their patients healthy. It was massively marketed, and by 2006, this drug became the largest selling diabetes drug in the world. This is going to caused about %800 dollars. Treated for sciatic nerve, back, L-3, L-4, L-5, swelling left side of my brain, and extreme PTSD. MARTIN: And they don't reimburse for nutritional counseling or anything like that. Our life span isn't even in the top 20. MARTIN: I bill $213, let's say for a 45 minute face to face visit with a patient. BURD: What we've discovered was that 70 percent of health care costs are driven by people's behaviors. He is the president of the American Academy of Family Physicians. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do it again on Friday. Receive your transcript. I had difficulty sleeping at night. They said, absolutely, it's been demonstrated that acupuncture is safe and effective, especially with post-operative and injury pain. ROBERTSON: OK, so first topic, Medicaid reimbursement. MARSHALL: You and I both know, it's hard to change the habits of a lifestyle. But, you know, we have the means to decrease disease. (LAUGHTER) Infinitely. At a time when the medical system is so badly broken. So, less than 30 percent are actually done in these people with stable ischemic heart disease. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BROWNLEE: The history of how the American healthcare system grew is not one of order, it's one of sort of happen hazard chaos. Sometimes when you go, go to bad places in your head. That may strike people as very high. I mean, I can't think of a single negative in doing this. If we can prevent that and even reverse it, that's how we're going to make true health care, not just sick care available. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're going to open up some chi, that's a good way to think of it. Well, you have a stent in your heart, right? 5. OK. Bend down. ROBERTS: The research found that embracing a low-fat vegetarian diet, exercising half an hour a day, and taking part in daily stress reducing activities can actually change the regulation of genes that are key players in cancer development and contribute to better overall survival. First Published 08/18/22 12:02. read transcript. WARD: I was chronically coming down with colds, and I knew that there was a history of cancer in my family, diabetes, heart disease. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any pain right now? Because of this program that's here, the yoga. We cut people open, re-bypass their blocked arteries and he would tell them they were cured, and they'd go home and more often than not eat the same junk food, smoke, and not manage stress, not exercise, and then often their bypasses would clog up, so we cut them open, we bypass their bypass, sometimes multiple times. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are the costs of all of our drugs in order. They may be a member of a health plan for a year and maybe no longer. You know? All my health issues have gone away. Come back in a month or so? The kinds of interventions that we have come to favor in this country are inherently costly because they are dependent on expensive technology, and that includes pharmaceutical drugs. Wag Dodge survived, nearly unharmed, in his escape fire. That isn't true in Canada. You just never get to the bottom of what's causing all of these problems that they are having. But he can have anywhere between five and 10 milligrams of morphine. The Dartmouth study showed the patients in places like Miami were receiving more care. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going to do at work? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh. It's wonderful. DR. TIERAONA LOW DOG, FELLOWSHIP DIRECTOR, ARIZONA CENTER FOR INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE: We want to expose clinicians to a broader way of seeing the patient a deeper understanding of healing and a larger toolbox from which to choose for therapies. YATES: I'm a red neck south Louisiana boy, just old Hill Billy, you know? We have to be mindful to those points in time where you can intervene and say enough's enough. A secret tape recorded aboard the doomed space shuttle Challenger captured the final panic-stricken moments of the crew. Our forefathers in medicine were really about patients. It's OK. You're good, you're good. Escape Fire: The Fight to Rescue American Healthcare is a 2012 feature-length documentary directed by Matthew Heineman and Susan Froemke and released by Roadside Attractions. "Escape Fire" airs March 10 on CNN. NISSEN: We do have a problem in America, and that is we have misaligned incentives. You didn't have to be a statistician or in the words of my old friend Bob Dylan, you don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. In fact, more soldiers died last year from non-combat injuries than during war. YATES: The pain, it's hard, you know, it's really hard. The answer is among us. So putting more money into innovations and all of these things, yes, they're need in certain instances, especially emergency care, and things like that. The only way that you can continue to make the profits that you are expected to make is to charge more for the policies. 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