Harvest and MacDonald had a contentious separation last year, when he lost the position he held for 30 years over inappropriate comments and harmful conduct stemming from his legal battle with people investigating the church. God bless you. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers whove been critical about problems at Harvest. Nancy You sound like you still attend thereand you seem double minded. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. We warn the people of Harvest Bible Churchto separate themselves from these false messengers. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. It never dawned on me that it would open you up to attack. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. Fear that your leaving would damage those you ministered to. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? While I am heartened that the elders finally removed MacDonald, he should have been fired five years ago. God wins the war. Nellie, Your comments are without sound knowledge of the depth of this I am SO glad that Lina has allowed the grace of Christ to free her from the culture of fear that controls Harvest Bible Chapel, and I am impressed by her willingness to speak in such as grace-giving way that will speak freedom to others who are hurting from this. It is loving to tell the truth. Doing ministry you love. I am thankful that timing of other circumstances in my life led me to a new city to grow and find a faithful, healthy, growing, biblical church community. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! In his statement released this week, MacDonald continues to criticize the church for its treatment of him and cites the successful arbitration as confirmation that the truth has been on his side all along. During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. And I find it odd that someone would have an opinion on that. You are joined with so many ex harvesters that were wounded deeply by what became a toxic culture at HBC. May God have mercy on his soul. Horrified. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. Ezekiel 22:27 I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. He kept telling me that I didnt understand authority and I was in rebellion. You are completely right on! Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life (in Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death.. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. There are questions the leadership at every such megachurch should be asking. We are to fear God not man. What does the Bible say about debt? Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. Thankful for her thoughtful response and I agree with you that God knows all of this and isnt surprised by any of it including the timing of her response. And this was all the way back in 2012). You are courageous and your words bring healing. I am delighted to hear that. The fallout has only just begun. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. But the truth needs to be out there. Do you remember how Jesus acted towards the money changers and false shepherds? I still had friends on the inside that I longed to remain friends with. Your truth was not conceived in fasting or deep prayer and it sure isnt loving. What Happens Now? Read the commandment in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 on the correction of Elders who sin, so that other Elders will be afraid to continue sinning against the flock. Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. I dont see anything mean in her commentary. I keep coming back to this part and I identify so much with this part. Seriously? Most of my friends as well. Pastor James MacDonald of the Chicago-based seven-multicampus Harvest Bible Church, issued an apology statement on Sunday saying that the board of the megachurch unanimously agreed to lift a discipline ban from three excommunicated elders. He is very likely not a brother in Christ. The church, which has a weekly attendance of more than 12,000 at its seven campuses, is also associated with Vertical Worship, Harvest Christian Academy (HCA), and MacDonalds Walk in the Word TV and radio ministry. Thankful for the freedom you have found and are willing to speak up. The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. The ungodly jockying for power and control is still an issue in all our churches. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. We can be humans and love. Im sorry that the doctrine that youve been taught says that life is about being kind and nice, rather than about being good. Sheesh. Hi Hurting in Davenport, You are speaking the minds of the many who did not stand up to James as they felt at the time, based on fear of public shame, and damage to career, to stick their heads in the sand and not speak up. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. All Rights Reserved. Harvest responded by suing both bloggers, their wives, and Julie Roys. These are the last days! Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. How you hit the nail on the head! Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. Over the summer, they agreed to try to make a joint statement and start the process of relational reconciliation, the Harvest elders said, but the efforts didnt pan out. But when it happens for reasons like this we should be shouting it but unfortunately we dont always perceive the abuse for what it was/is until we are out of the situation. Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019. Pray for the church and the people! Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own church-planting ministry, Harvest Bible Fellowship, with 170 member churches. Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! We are the Church! Youve blessed me when I heard you speak at a Harvest Womens event about 10 yrs ago, through your radio ministry and at an event you spoke at last year. Thank goodness God is still God! That is who God truly cares about. Many people went to leaders and spoke up. That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. This is why NOW. Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? Sounds like your faith in self is overwhelming only yourself! Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? I hope to become braver. Its hard. Your willingness to sit down over a cup of coffee in your home with women of God and get real about our hurts, our fears, our dreams, or whatever is going on in our lives. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Ross, Im not sure it is saying tatoos are a sign of a decline in holiness, but the overall impression is any Christian who gets a tatoo wants to be cool and nothing about Jesus or the Gospel is cool. Not everything needs to be about Polititcs. We are all human, myself included. I didnt know you personally, but was a part of and benefited from the many programs that you offered through womens ministry. It, honestly, has been the biggest source of my own sin and self inflicted suffering. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. It would be endearing to me and honoring to them. This young lady has done the work and is doing the work of the great physician. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. What blessings are flowing at Harvest for those who stand firm! Gods timing is always perfect. Thank you. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. May God be glorified through this. Blessings to you! Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. Could you provide me with a link please. I kept thinking people would wake up and see the truth and understand that my leaving was not a betrayal to James but a stance against his leadership style, and the leadership style of the XLT, and James sons, and most of the remaining elders. I will be praying for you , too, Lina. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Hes a lemonade maker. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. Praise and Worship is congregational: He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? They have gone the deep end of the pool. I have been looking for a church like this for years. My experience was decades ago and in another state. I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. As a former elder for three years at the Elgin campus ( it wasnt a true elder board then and it still isnt now ), I couldnt agree with you more, that all the infected parts have to excised! We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. Excited for the new study, hoping One of your teachings would be chosen. Jesus taught eternal love. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. Hidden things have come to light. Theyre gone. The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. I still hold fast to the hope he will take all this to Jesus. Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? The harsh language of Harvests public excommunication of these individuals did receive pushback, and in 2014, MacDonald expressed regret at the language used, and announced that the church had reconciled with the elders. Roys also lamented the fallout of todays news. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. Hang in there. Come together at part of the body of Christ called Harvest Bible Chapel and pray that Gods will not ours be done. God is sifting His church! The higher the leadership level was, the more protective of James they were. 7. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. I was brushed off. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! It IS her truth In effect, the senior pastor isthe church. He is doing a new thing, and I will stand with my brothers and sisters in Christ and praise his Holy name through it all. Is the founding pastor subject to accountability structures? Further, Nellie, I am glad that you missed out on being a victim of the authoritarian rule that grew, without check, in the once fertile soil of a formerly great ministry. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. It is so sad when the devil works to cause problems in a church. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. I have always wondered why you left Lina but didnt know you personally to ask. I asked my surgeon why the procedure is called radical, he replied that even the seminal vesicles have to be removed along with the prostate, otherwise the cancer may return! Lina, I know that you did not take writing this lightly, and that it was preceded by much prayer and asking for the Holy Spirits wisdom and guidance in order to strike a balance of truth and grace. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. Leba and Sheila- Keep on being brave- it encourages me to do the same! Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. It never dawned on me that no one from HBC would reach out. It was an extremely long and difficult decision to finally leave (we did our best to leave peacefully with the good of Christs church in mind) knowing very well that our reputations and many of our friendships we had there would be severely if not permanently damaged. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. I pray to our Father who loves us all that His truth and reconciliation and peace, healing abounds in this circumstance. Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. Be blessed dear Sister. (Proverbs 16:18). By then there were so many small things that werent so small and added up to big things that could have explained my leaving, but to me, that video was the tipping point. 37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Not cool to kick people when they are down. I am no one special here. But wait who is that lurking around the edges, his deeds the center of everyones interest in our church right now, salivating and gleeful that divisiveness and sin is healthy within the body of Christ? All of it. Lina is right on. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. Thank you for your honestly, I personally did not ask why you left, because we left approximately the same time for the same reasons. Dont stop trusting or loving. Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. Do you read the elder updates? My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. Maybe its because youre a doctor and have such a desire to see people healed. Or they, too, are so rotten at the core that they dont care. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. I had a bad experience at the Chapel myself. Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ This is the mercy and grace of God. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lina, you are strong and your faith in the Lord is inspiring. Open your eyes and feel the heat of the refiners fire. Notify me by email when the comment gets approved. Still, things seemed off. We continue in prayer for all those affected near and far. Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. The leader of that church, John Secrest, was blindsided by the news and asked Harvest elders to reconsider allowing MacDonald to preach there. It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. Agreed Sheila. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. 8. These being the facts of my simple, uncomplicated, and naive experience as an attendee and member of Harvest, the last several weeks of revelations, discoveries, denial, anger, grief, victims, conjecture, embarrassment, hurt, stories, gossip, cover-ups, accusations, defensiveness, lawsuits, maliciousness, divisiveness, blame, threats, and even some name-calling as of late I have begun to realize that those of us who are just the congregation, the blessed and appreciative recipients of the God-given talents of all those involved in running and ministering Harvest, we are now in the painful position reminiscent of children involved in the divorce of parents, both(ALL!) Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. I attended Harvest Bible Chapel for over 8 years and served as the Womens Ministry Director at the Rolling Meadows campus for three of those years (thats the flagship original campus by the way). He stomped his questioners. How about some GRACE !!! Those who would shame someone for standing on the side of truth and grace have missed the mark. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. The first one is in the magazine Relevant and looks at the allegations of Anne Green being inappropriately touched by James MacDonald. I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. The question is, how many pastors/leaders are actually GIVING AWAY the ministry and equipping others for it? In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald for "engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best . The confidence I hang on to today is that whether I am approved or critiqued for this opinion, it is Christs love that will catch me and his arms that will continue to sustain me when I close my eyes at the end of each new day. They never acknowledged that they had done anything wrong. I so agree with your cancer analogy as it relates to Harvest. What she shared was the kindest message I have ever seen. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. However why now? The church was growing at the time. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.. Isnt this just what the enemy of our souls would want? Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. In eras of prosperity, their hearts drifted. And your part of the problem. James wrath is powerful. I hope they succeed in bringing people back to the church! Hello: In early 2018, reporter Julie Roys, who writes for the conservative evangelical WORLD Magazine, began conducting background research for an article, which was published eight months later under the headline Hard Times at Harvest. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. Thank you for coming forward! Now its a big business with Harvest all over the states. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. In 2019, Harvest initially did not release these assets, assuring the congregation, none of Harvest Bible Chapels or Walk in the Words donations or assets have gone to James, and we will not be giving him anything in the future since his termination was with cause. The year prior, Walk in the Word brought in close to $8.5 million, with 2,000 stations airing the show. Pastor James made it political when he compared the era of President Trump to the era of Stalin the era of Hitler. I have a Patreon! James MacDonald was forced out Tuesday night as senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, a church he founded in Rolling Meadows some 30 years ago. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. It didnt. Free of James fear. But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. He went recently, saying the time had come. There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. Different situations require different things. On Tuesday, Chicago shock jock and one-time friend of MacDonaldMancow Muller aired a series of clips featuring someone who sounds like MacDonald making offensive comments. I believe you are mistaken. She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. Fear is what has been under all this, I would not be surprised if there is some fear in Jamess heart that is the root cause of his sins here. He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. After that, I felt like my time was wasted. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. But dont shame others who speak up. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. Through it all, our relationship with Christ was strengthened all the more. "Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful. You said, out of fear, I complied. Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. Anil. 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