They guarantee the independence of Medina and Cyprus while Hejaz and Fadl are their vassals. Im playing an Ottomans game right now (going for the Dar al-Islam achievement) and its very easy to get an absolutely insane army force limit by doing just two things: reaching the end of their national ideas, which gives +50% army force limit, and also by reaching the end of the Quantity Idea Group, which I believe also doubles your force limit. And actually, 173k is quite a lot for AI Ottomans in 1609, I think. But the amount of micro is through the roof. No you're not. Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! , that you get when youve conquered the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. Purchase some mercenaries in Benghazi and siege down at least one of Fezzans provinces, like Sirt. Pick one difficult achievement from steam (preferably one that is owned by less than 1% of players) and start a campaign with that achievement as a goal. Fight them after tech 14, they will no longer have pip advantage from troops. Once youve successfully taken Samarkand, the one area you still need for the Caliphate is. You can now also complete the missionConquer the Levantto grant you a bunch more permanent claims all around. their armies are pretty much always superior to any other nations, even when massively outnumbered. This will often make them take the long way around the Black Sea in wars, slowing them down considerably. Dont give them land though, thatd be a waste of your precious war score. 1.18 Kilwa -> Italy 85% reduced coring cost One-tag WC, 1.19 Aztec True One-tag WC AAR (complete), 1.20 Theravada SpanishBritalianFrancoPrussian Holy Roman Emperor of China One-tag, Sail On, Ceylon - A Non-European Colonial AAR for EU4. Istanbul isnt the problem (obviously), and Rome should be easy takings with your dominance in the Mediterranean. Numbers don't mean a whole lot when you can't fight quality+co and offensive for a +15% discipline is good (discipline boost tactics too, so its very good). Istanbul isnt the problem (obviously), and Rome should be easy takings with your dominance in the Mediterranean. Definitely the Sultan of Rumneeds you to core Rome, Moscow, and Istanbul. . I personally wouldn't ally (all) big nations around the Ottoman. The Ottoman troops are better than European troops for a large part of the game because of their bonuses, and the fact that they have increased pips. Call if Uzbek if you need the help. I took most of the Levant, snaked my way to Medina, got some more land in the Nile Delta, and cleaned up my African borders. The Ottomans will have pretty good discipline, a large manpower pool and a good economy for mercs. To fully take advantage of their situation, you should wait until they are engaged in a war. The Ottomans have a unique tech group, Anatolian, which starts out with some of the best units in the game, but they tend to fizzle out the later and later you go. Since you cant annex vassals during the war, use your moments of peace to start the process. As others have mentioned, you can beat quantity with quality. The Great Horde is a great nation to do this with. From your base in Morocco and Spain, it shouldnt be hard for you to break your alliance with France and declare war on them. Who're they allied to? After youve wreaked Havoc in Arabia, Africa, and Persia, its time to confront Spain. . Works better if you have a fleet to block the straight, e.g. You can beat them in the early, middle, or late game. When you control these cities, you gain the permanent modifier. So, feel free to jump around in this guide to have it suit your campaign. Build up your naval forces if you are uncertain of your navys ability, takeNaval Ideasto give yourself an edge. The last thing he needs is for an opportunistic Austria + friends to form a coalition, even if it's inccurred making a DoW against Otto, and then have to deal with large stacks of rebels in the midst of two wars. It's the transport ships that give me headache. Ally other countries that have navies. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Once youve taken the east coast of Arabia, you can complete the mission to. As others have mentioned, you can beat quantity with quality. Use them to take a lot of land for cheap, and use Russia to distract the Timurids in the north. There we have it the end of our EU4 guide, as we made the Ottomans easy! The Great Horde is a great nation to do this with. By doing so, youll deny the Russians a strategically useful area of operations, and protect your core land. Right. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. quick and dirty: hudavendigar, constantinople, kocaeli (? Valve Corporation. Late mid-game and late game their troops have become much worse though, and if you play western tech you can usually crush significantly larger Ottoman armies in that period. Cav are kinda weak at techs 14 to 16, making their cav combat ability less scary (they also miss a cav upgrade at 14). Now observe the situation. Take at leastIfni, Malaga, Cordoba, Palermo,andMessinato Unify Islam. Optimally you want them to release bulgaria. Prussian troops stackwipe Ottos easy in the 1600s. Works better if you have a fleet to block the straight, e.g. Your vassal may have some cores left in my case, Makuria had a core on Dongola, so use that and declare war. I set up two: the Ottoman Hormuz Company and the Ottoman Horn of Africa company. If you can't get to them early, you may need to wait till later in the game. I'd suggest playing more aggressive in your conquests, or try to botch them early on because that always works best. Make your way towards the Holy Roman Empire to go there where the real-life Ottomans couldnt: Vienna. Siege down the fort in Malaga before swarming over the Spanish mainland. Note :In The runs with Prussia and Great Britain I beat the Ottomans in the last 10-20 years of the campaign, And another thing that I forgot to mention. and our How good is your economy? That's why my new. I'm around the same size as the Ottomans now. You must log in or register to reply here. The mera can also gain land rights, but they have more important modifiers right now, such as the integration of nobility and stronger duchies. Siege down weak Tunis (and Ottos if you can), then make Ottos break treaties with all their powerful allies. If you want to spice up lategame i recommend some RP. I can understand the complaints about micro-managing, and it's especially true if you're colonial, but that's a consequence of choice in some sense. This will deplete their manpower to zero, cause them to take out loans they can't repay and raise their WE to 20 very quickly. Moreover, we need a Moroccan province, Ifni. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I always take Quality + Innovative for that insane +20% Infantry Combat Ability policy. to grant you a bunch more permanent claims all around. The Spanish AI is fond of expanding into North Africa and might be blocking your way towards these important areas. If I put all of my allies into one battle (Me, France, Venice, Nogai, Genoa) then I might have a chance, but now I've had to dissolve the Venice alliance so I didn't get dragged into a war with just me and Venice. You don't need any military idea groups or military national ideas to wipe out the Ottomans. If you had a strong Russia, France, and Austria. Moreover, it will anger our next target of expansion: Tunis. Ottomans also tend not to upgrade forts so it's relatively quick sieging. This might not be as helpful as all the comments but I'll just post my observations: I've noticed ai Ottomans tends to overexert themselves near late game with nonstop wars. Itd give me a serious coalition I dont want to face yet. If you have questions do please leave them below and I will answer any and all that I'm able to! THIS CAMPAIGN IS BEST VIEWED THROUGH THE PLAYLIST! This EU4 Ottomans Guide is currently for patch 1.33.3 and with all DLCs installed. Thing is, I don't think there is an easy fix to this because, as I said, optimal play happenes as a consequence of how the game is designed. The best way to beat any AI is to let them bleed all their manpower in small stacks, so try to and block the Bosporus if you have naval advantage and let small stacks through (small here being less than 20k or so), then wipe them with a numerical advantage. When youre annexing a vassal, see if you can concentrate land. At the time the achievement fired it was all of France and Netherlands essentially. These vassals make up your siege troops. While if they attack them with you not allied to said nation, it's that big country plus it's allies and then you can start a war with your allies against the Ottoman at the same time. It's actually significantly easier to take the Ottomans down the later you go. Doesn't always work but it's a solution if you don't want to start a war right away. Play smart, have forts in mountains/hills/swamps. You can also take some cash from these extremely wealthy merchant republics. By writing about games, he can bring two of his great passions together. disaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. Aside from forcing the Russians to take a long way around, your imperial heart will be safe, which works miracles for your prosperity. Wait for them to declare on someone on the south side of the Bosporus and then get your fleet into the channel, declare war, occupy everything in the Balkans and win! The decision makes your country more stable and lets you easily convert all your lands to Sunni if you didnt take humanist ideas before or are really into that. Who are their rivals? . Conquer the World as the Ottomans etc. If you're lucky, you might start a dog pile. What can you guys suggest? A few suggestions on improving existing mechanics: Yeah shipping troops around is not the most fun thing to do for me either. However, history wont stop us! all are full except expansion. The AI is really pretty terrible, even a mediocre player shouldn't have that much trouble beating them. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. After Military Tech 16 (I believe?) Take at least, More importantly, the land you had to take to unify the Caliphate should have made you a formidable power by now. The Otto's will refuse that peace deal, but suffer a stability hit. You can check the Ottoman's development and your own in the ledger, but a rough estimate based on experience and the dates you provided would put you at about ~500 development and the Ottomans at ~1000. I always have this anxiety about attacking them; even though they fold like paper tigers every time. Most nations will want to be your vassal; conquer the remainder. In this area, you may want to expand recklessly to the point that it nearly breaks your nation. The Mamluks control Egypt and Syria at the start of the game, but were historically conquered by the Ottomans in the 16th century. Just take as much provinces as you can. Beats conquering, right? You can also expand into the Horn of Africa at this point in time. Eventually, they won't be able to sustain these wars as efficiently from the constant lack of manpower and they'll be taking loans for merc armies. Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this EU4 Ottomans guide. Europa Universalis IV starts on November 11th 1444, . Meanwhile, declare war on the Mamluks to take Palestine, Transjordan, and start expanding into Arabia. After all, it was my first time playing this game. start again as france and take beter ideas and no CB byzantium early. How do you trigger Byzantium being formed? I would recommend defensive idea group and drill your armies !!!! You can now complete the missionsControl the DanubeandConquer Transsylvania, but dont complete them just yet. At this point, you might be running into government capacity issues. . The best option is to wait for the Ottomans to declare war on some other neighbor. Naval superiority would be a good idea if you can get it against the Ottos, to try and prevent the bosphorus and dardanelles crossing. I control most of Northern Africa and Central Europe. They are inferior later on. around 1510. Prussia and Commonwealth are capable of wiping out numerically superior Ottoman armies. I've already taken aristocratic, espionage, humanist, quality, and expansion ideas. The better player you are, the more attention you pay to all of this aspects. They don't get an infantry upgrade at 15 like western nations do. Aside from sealing off the Black Sea and connecting your territories, theres mostly no need for you to conquer anything north of the Caucasus mountains. This war can be tricky since Hungary could have a high discipline. Otto was huge though and Lithuania was getting routed, but I knew that was going to happen. So their tech 12 infantry are the same pips as western tech 15, giving you parity, until tech 19 when you can edge ahead. You should aim to eradicate them by 1550. and since my goals are quite small and achievable I usually. Once you declared war on Tunis, expand Fezzan in the desert itself and take the powerful coastal provinces for yourself. Moscow is a tougher nut to crack focus on core conquest to make your way into Russia and take the city. Play your cards right, and you'll be on your way to restoring the Caliphate. They are superior early on. Don't let them. If you don't have all the DLCs, make sure to at least get the Cradle of Civilization DLC. Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! I'm not sure how much warscore triggers the call for peace, but I'd stay below 50% if you can. Take all the provinces you need for the Caliphate to finally realize the unification of Islam. I just don't find it fun to always split my armies, siege a lot of provinces and then consolidate my forces. The entire army of Tunis or 10k expensive boys? Best advice for beating ottomans is simply stop being intimidated by their numbers and fight them. Revanchism might have something to do with that https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Revanchism. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Even with my main allies France and Venice (60kish each) we're still not as powerful as them combined. To maximize your trade income, consider addingWealth of Nations to your DLC list! If I recall right, Imperator Rome has a button to let the AI manage your armies: you can order to siege forts, provinces, defend territory, etc. Quite manageable. This part is for those players who are trying to complete the Unify Islam mission, in which you unite all corners of the vast Islamic world under a single Caliphate once more. More importantly, the land you had to take to unify the Caliphate should have made you a formidable power by now. Cordoba is a landlocked province, so its tricky to fabricate a claim. I smell a beefy QQ to their southeast, them declaring war would really shaft the Ottomans. If your army has at least 20 Janissary regiments or over 20% of the army is Janissaries, and your stability is negative, you may be facing theJanissary Coupdisaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. From 1500 onwards, its time to fight anything, anywhere, all the time. If you can't do that, at least guaranteeing them (if you're strong enough, of course) will keep the Ottos out for some years, wait for them to be on a long war, cancel the guarantee and attack after the truce. By giving them Mosul, I was able to vassalize them. I just needed to buy enough time to take Tunis/Crete out of the equation. I might be able to get France on my side too. The whole of the Bosporus should be your main target for conquest. You are using an out of date browser. Meanwhile, you shouldve gotten Sicily sieged down by now. When you fight with the Mamluks, make sure to expand into Saudi Arabia, towards Medina and Yemen. The only exception to this rule would be Russia and ONLY Russia, but that's cause of just the massive amount of troops they can put out, especially with quantity, allowing them to easily overrun the Ottomans in a war, though at a massive cost. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Remember to enact the fortification edict on all provinces containing a fort, especially in your capital. What matters is a province's development for force limit, manpower, tax income, etc. However, the coastal areas are likely up for grabs. By outsmarting Hungary, the Mamluks, and Venice, we became the undisputed ruler of the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean, and the Levant. They just can't grow to the same extent if they don't have Constantinople. Then you declare war on Byzantium a few years after 1444 and pray the Ottomans do so too after you. Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations Release Trailer, In case this is where you enter the series, first of all welcome! You can take small coastal ports when you peace out their allies to gain an early foothold. You wont gain cores on them, but. Only having 49k is little. You can now also complete the mission. It's best to strike if they are already in a war. Ottomans tend to move a 50k stack alone , they move it without having some reinforcements nearby.So you can easily attack this 50k stack and maybe stack wipe it. In the late game, at military tech 19 (for infantry) and tech 18 (for cavalry) The Ottoman units will have less unit pips compared to the western tech group. I just said in a different forum two days ago that WitE would be a much better game if Paradox had designed the UI. Avoid tough wars by using Spains diplomatic commitments! Press J to jump to the feed. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. It was something like 250/month ,but thanks to owning both North and South America I had huge treasury plus huge monthly income so it was no big deal. I'm thinking No CB on Byzantium on day 1 -> vassalization of Byzantium -> Get PLC as an ally -> return all Byzantine cores is the most viable option now since otherwise their endless manpower just annihilates anything in their path midgame. Simply take some Spanish lands and repeat after the truce timer runs out. But other than that i think army management in Eu4 is nice. You can now complete the missions. I knew espionage as last idea group and I figured it wasn't worth it, but wanted to try it anyway for fun. The only way to stop the Ottomans is to overwhelm them on multiple fronts, since their armies are pretty much always superior to any other nations, even when massively outnumbered. Dont even consider fighting the Ottomans if you arent allied to several strong nations like Austria, Russia or the Mamluks. Thanks anyway :). This campaign in EU4 is designed around a slower playstyle by myself, Chewy, and doing my best to explain the basics of EU4 while building upon them through actual gameplay. The next time they declare war on them, I will also declare war. Make sure you get enough ships. That and Quality should give you some pretty good troops. I still had Ajam as a vassal, which gets cores on much of Iran. You can try and hunt down some Ottomans-unique achievements as well. Good allies can be helpful to overwhelm them. . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Aside from this generic advice, be sure to check whether you can accidentally vassalize your allies. They have claims on the provinces, which means that if they get the siege, you wont be able to take it in the peace deal. You need to provide at least cursory information about your situation if you want help. Wait for an opportunity. Are the Mamluks still around? Hit them early and try to divide their territory works great. Ifni is a very poor province, so it doesnt cost much to take. Always check whether someone is willingly letting itself be annexed by you. Rinse and repeat to make them a non-factor eventually. Ideally, you managed to cripple the Spanish armies trapped in Morocco, so the Spanish may not put up much of a fight. Who would win? I'd take Constantinople and Edirne so you have a land block of the Bosporus and the Ottos can't move their troops through. If they also lag in mil tech you've got 'em on the ropes. This war can be tricky, so it can be useful to curry favors with important allies that can distract the Spanish, like France, Russia, Britain, or even Bohemia, Scandinavia, or Naples. Proceed to stomp the Ottomans, and get them to return all Byzantine cores. The goal is that even when they move their capital into anatolia, they will not have direct land connections to their overseas provinces (hello 75% autonomy), and they won't be able to move across the strait over land without getting mil access from you. Then you peace out, take nothing and watch the rebels spawn. Perhaps it's worth breaking truce with them as well. You deal with their numbers by stackwiping their troops with quality and composition. If this doesnt bring their disloyalty above 50, do so to make the annexation process easier. Ottomans declared war on me, me and austria had 32k troops in a mountain province, Ottomans attacked with 17k, absolutely destroyed us with their garbage general while we both had 3 star generals. Alternatively, you may be able to ally with Russia. Don't get confused by map size. In my game, Austria has been beaten down and is pretty tiny, Russia is getting slowly annexed by me and the Malmuks aren't doing much. is a province you will need to retake the Caliphate. After that it can become too costly and dangerous to challenge them, up until 1750, when the game triggers them to decay. Like my Burgundian Conquest run, where I was super rich and powerful, but my nation was not much bigger than France is at the start. Just tried this out but the blasted PLC AI was hell bent on losing and had to delete the save since I'd already given up half my country to separate peace Aragon. It just depends on actually winning the first war. Another front for you to not worry about! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I prefer to leave Ethiopia alone for most of the run, and simply conquer around them. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I also guaranteed the Moroccans, to prevent Spain from consolidating its foothold in the Meditteranean. Ideally, you managed to cripple the Spanish armies trapped in Morocco, so the Spanish may not put up much of a fight. The way EU IV is designed, if you want to play optimally then you should use the minimum sized stacks needed to siege provinces, split your navy in order to cycle them against strong naval opponents and generally minimise the losses due to attrition. Make the war goal something I can take and defend easily; the goal is not to defeat them utterly as they have ridiculous numbers to be able to siege them out completely at first. Most states are weak, meaning you can diplomatically conquer most of them.. Once youve taken the east coast of Arabia, you can complete the mission toConquer Al-Ahsa. Getting the war goal and war score to go up, gives the chance for a good peace deal which makes them weaker and every following war with them easier. aside from just taking quantity ideas myself, what can i do to counter this? Its also important to consolidate your holdings at home. The intent is for you to play along and improve your skills and understanding of the game, and have fun all the while! Last game i played as france and struggled to fight the ottoman military, simply from the overwhelming manpower. You can also try bringing other people in on your war. If you annex them, you can no longer get the -10% Aggressive Expansion bonus. You are using an out of date browser. What nation are you playing as? Find the first and second installments of this guide here: Since this Ottomans EU4 guide is so RNG-heavy, youll likely be running into situations that dont play out as planned. I played a Russia campaign a couple of weeks back, and attacked the Ottomans a lot late mid-game to late game, and I used my ally Spain to crush their armies (they easily won battles against the Ottos while being outnumbered 2:1). & # x27 ; s play Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of nations Trailer! 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